I am so upset and horrified, what should I do?

Read, compare and decide is most definitely what I am doing... if anything I owe that to my child.

It does, however, amaze me that most do not take this quote of advise to heart, and are so quick to conform to what we 'know'.
Its our knowledge or lack thereof that leave some of us with no choice but to live with our, sometimes deadly, decisions.

I believe it is imperative, as a mother, to take the extra step, do the extra research and stand up to society if need be. All this for a life, a very precious life!

RM, they must be more jacked up in the Cape about vaccine cards then, the schools I spoke about is in Gauteng and Mpumalanga...

I am glad that there seems to be school who actually enforces the law. As in a whole I do think that vaccines are a good thing.

So there is a very small risk that the vaccine can harm / kill your child. The problem is that there is a very big risk that the illnessess that we vaccinate against can harm / kill your child. That is why the vaccines where made.

A lot of propeganda has been created for and against vaccines. You are the mommy, like RM said, read, compare and decide.

Sorry to hear about the sudden death in the babies, it must be aweful for the parents and ill keep them in my prayers.

I agree with RM on it might differ from school to school. my day mother even wants an updated copy of the card after ever vaccination.

Also Amandalynn's chreche wanted a copy and you have to hand in a new copy every year.

Ann it truly is your choice regarding what you do with your child.

When Dylan was admitted for a measles like rash 10 days after having had the measles vaccine he was tested for measles. Why because 4 kids were admitted to Panorama with measles, why, because people stopped vaccinating their kids so measles is alive and well again.

Measles kills.

The autism and mmr link has been completely disputed now and sure a parent that has an autistic child will most certainly want to know why and will probably believe that it was due to the vaccine they had just had, but that doesn't mean it actually was.

I can't think how awful it must be to loose a child to something that I chose to have done to my child. I guess that parent lives with the guilt, but the same could be said for so many choices we make as parents and usually when such a thing occurs the parent goes out of their way to make it known so that others don't have to endure the same thing.

We have to be careful though not to create hysteria especially with things that may also help to save lives.

I wonder if the parents that tried to have the mmr vaccine stopped and who supported the doctors findings ever stopped to think about the babies that might die because they didn't get the vaccine.

Ann yes, death is certainly the worst risk of vaccinating, but I think the chance of it happening is so much smaller than the risk of a child getting one of the diseases that are vaccinated against. And the effects of these diseases can be very serious: deafness, disability, sterility. So many things we do have risks attached to them and we have to weigh up those risks. I think that driving with my son in the car, even strapped into his carseat, is riskier than vaccinating him, but I'm not going to keep him at home all his life just to keep him safe because that would drastically reduce his, and my, quality of life.

The pharmaceutical companies are making money off these vaccines and have an interest in people using them, so it is up to you, the user of their product, to satisfy yourself whether you need them or not. So by all means research the subject and make a choice for you and your children that suits you. The company that made my son's carseat is also making money from me but it is money I have decided I am happy to give them.

As for vaccinations not having helped to eradicate or seriously reduce the incidences of some diseases (as stated in your link), I've heard that in Kenya or Nigeria (sorry, can't remember which) where large numbers of parents stopped immunising against polio the disease has become quite prevalent again.

Hasie - sorry not trying to stalk you.

I agree with what you have said, minus the vaccine card issue.

I have always been asked for cards, and my "enrollments" have been dependent on my kids arriving with complete cards, so I do think this might differ from school to school.

I personally would be a tad annoyed/disgruntled if there were kids in my kid's school who had not been vaccinated and where thus able to carry or bring in a "vaccination sanctioned disease" i.e. polio or what ever else.

On vaccines - if you read enough google you will find enough people who are throwing their toys out the cot and making connections between MMR's and autism.

And basically going totally off pip.

It is healthy to read, it is healthier to compare and then to take this information and chat to a medical professional who you trust and who has had the benefit of 12 years of specialised schooling in a particular area, and then make a decision or judgement call.

I suggest a measure of common sense, pragmaticism, and a visit to a paed who has children and ask them what they are doing with their own kids regarding vaccinations.


I do agree that we do not just take everything lying down that the medical fraternity throws at us, but let's be cautious before we start screaming "vaccinations kill babies!!"

Ann, i am not here to start a mud fight. I have a lb and a lg who both still get vaccinations. So I share your concern.

Another thing is, we dont have a choice in taking our kids, these are goverment prescribed vaccines and should your green card not be up to date, you battle to get your LO into school.

I work for a school and believe me we have never asked for vaccination records. My friend lost her sons vaccination card and got a new one (incomplete) more than once, her son went to 2 nursery schools and 3 primary schools without once being asked for a vaccination record.

I do think its important to make sure your child is healthy when they go for a vaccine. If they are already fighting some disease, then the chances are much higher that they will struggle to deal with the side effects from the vaccine.